Homeless parking lot on 3rd and Hampton between Rose and Sunset?
Is this true?! are we now allowing what has already become skid row in Venice to have night time parking restrictions completely removed? I just saw a copy of this email from one of our Councilman's minions. Notice how he ties the overnight parking restrictions to opening up 3rd and Hampton. This is bad for Venice! this area will become a magnet for the motorhome dwellers who want to live rent free by the beach. Mobile home parks are the answer, not free street parking overnight. paul
See Below:
From: Arturo Piña
Date: April 29, 2008 11:11:47 AM PDT
Hello all:
We have been informed that the Parking Restrictions on 3rd and Hampton,
between Rose & Sunset that did not allow for overnight parking, have
been removed. As a result, the removal of these signs should provide
some much needed parking relief in the interim as Public Works' places
the finishing touches on the application for Permit Parking to be
submitted to the Coastal Commission for review.
Sincerely,
Arturo Piña
Office of Councilmember Bill Rosendahl
Office (310) 568-8772 - Fax (310) 410-3946
arturo.pina@lacity.org
www.councilmanrosendahl.com
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Subject: Please support LAMC
Subject: Please support LAMC 80.69.4 to Rid Venice of RVs on Our Streets
All,
"The Venice Justice Committee" is circulating a flyer to oppose the new City ordinance that bans oversize vehicles from parking between 2 AM and 6 AM without a permit, and that even with a permit they can only stay three (3) days and must show their nearby residential address.
We should use this as an opportunity to support the new law so it can be applied in Venice to get these large vehicles off our streets.
Please email the following in support of LAMC 80.69.4:
Bill Rosendahl at councilman.rosendahl@lacity.org
Mike Bonin, Rosendahl's chief of staff, at mike.bonin@lacity.org
Arturo Pina, Rosendahl's Venice Deputy, at arturo.pina@lacity.org
Janice Hahn at councilmember.Hahn@lacity.org
Tom LaBonge at councilmember.Labonge@lacity.org
The message is:
I support LAMC 80.69.4 and can't wait to see it applied in Venice to remove oversized vehicles from camping on our streets.
Please pass this message on to your lists.
Thanks.
Variance at 543 Grand Boulevard
Heads up to whoever didn't receive the notice from the Planning Commission on a hearing for 543 Grand Boulevard. Some incredibly irresponsible developer named Geoff Hardin is showing blatant disregard for the neighborhood and its residents by requesting to build three dwellings instead of two on a single Venice lot, WITH NOT A SINGLE PARKING SPACE when existing code calls for 5 spaces. Unbelievable. Hearing is Tuesday June 3 at 2:00 at 200 North Spring Street Downtown. File number is 08-1082. I urge you to write if you cannot attend the hearing. This kind of nonsense has got to stop.
This situation is out of
This situation is out of control. If the RVers were clean, polite and TEMPORARY there would be no outcry. There is one crumbling GMC RV that has been a blight on the streets for years and a TIOGA that thinks it bought 4th Avenue behind the Venice Skills Center. These folks are not facing temporary hardship, etc... they are choosing to live with others paying their way. They don't seem too concerned as they lounge in their lawn chairs on the sidewalk or do their deals on their cell phones...
The situation is what it is
Anonymous, the situation is not out of control. You moved to Venice knowing it is Venice, not Malibu.
Yes we choose to live in
Yes we choose to live in Venice because it is a cool artsy seaside area. Rent is extremely high and why because people like you feel that hard working members of our society should pay for the low class, low income housing and deal with the problems of the homeless. People who do not have to pay their fair share are a burden on society. I AM SICK OF FEELING BAD FOR PEOPLE WHO BRING DOWN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR HOMES!!! Our taxes are paying for these people to get a free ride and they spit in our face. They are disrespectful people who have no respect for anything or anyone. Venice is the only coastal place in the US that still CATERS to the poor. Yes I get that people feel bad but to give people a free ride only enables them to stay down and to become even more of a burden. The fact that I feel unsafe walking down the street IS NOT FAIR!!! If you can't afford to pay what the rest of us pay MOVE OUT!!! And secondly most of the homeless people use drugs on our street and our beaches. When I walk down the boardwalk I get harassed by high, drunk unstable human beings and that is okay, why? Because all the rich people who do not have to deal with these people want to seem compassionate. Where is the compassion for the working people??? Stop being so PC people and wake up!!! I live near a low income housing building and I had no idea when I moved in what I was getting myself into, I grew up in a biracial family and never had a problem with any race. But I have never experienced such racism. The hatred that I have felt from my black neighbors is a shame and a disappointment in this day and age. Venice could be a lovely place to live if we all had a little more respect and integrity for ourself and one another and moving more unmotivated homeless people into our community IS NOT THE ANSWER!
Cops use Taser on man high on heroin
Maybe he was looking for the PARKING STRUCTURE! We need to SUPPORT these junkies more! Maybe a funded DESIGNATED DRIVER PROGRAM! Maybe stabbing a cop with a syringe is really a new NEEDLE EXCHANGE PROGRAM. Let's just see it all as positive input to the neighborhood!
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_9180306?source=rss
The signs were illegal!
Those were illegal no-parking signs. And WHAT motor home parks? There are no motor home parks for the poor, elderly, disabled people living in vehicles. These parks or other places for people to live and rest should be created first! Many of these people are being driven to early graves. We should be very careful not to talk hate for the poor or people troubled with misfortune.
The parking was illegal!!!
The parking was illegal!!!
There are services and
There are services and places for those "troubled with misfortune". Some of these RVs have been squatting for YEARS. The lifestyle is chosen. There are plenty of motor home parks... they just don't happen to be in Venice. To choose to live in an motor home and then be shocked that the community prefer you park it in an motor home park is beyond belief. It would be like me dragging my apartment to a motor home park and whining because they won't let me put it there.
Services and places "troubled with misfortune"
There are no real Services and places for those "troubled with misfortune",or Seniors, Disabled the list for them in district 11 is virtually useless as they are under staffed and under funded and housing is near impossible as the working poor can attest the truth is their is 7year waiting lists and even for the fortunate few who might get vouchers for section 8 housing their are less and less apartments excepting these vouchers while high priced townhouses and condos sit empty and are continuing to be built some of the newer construction in Venice has been empty for nearly a year but will they lower their prices not till foreclosure is eminent.
troubled by misfortune
these people are troubled by those WITH fortunes. ethnic cleansing by the rich.
Ethnic Cleansing???
This makes no sense. Where has anyone said anything about race? In fact, I guess you assume most rich people are white. And, from what I have seen, most RV folks are white. Where is the ethnic cleansing? In fact, I'm sure the black community in Venice, long time residents among us, are not wild about the squatters in their neighborhood. Ethnic cleansing implies that people want a race dead. Very dramatic. This is far different than asking people to be responsible members of a community.
ethnic cleansing
The distinction was made along class lines not racial ones. That was very clear. Criminalizing poverty and running the poor out of Dodge after, the rich, or merely well to do, TAKE their homes and THEIR town is ethnic cleansing after a fashion. You can say a lot of the people are from elsewhere...so are the people taking their homes. A lot of people were quite happy before the Stepford Invasion took place and you stamped out street crime only to replace it with the white collar Republican variety. There is a storm coming!
I don't think most rich people are white but the demographics show that most poor people are. I think the hostile, dishonest, rich can find sympathy between sh%t and syphilis in the dictionary. I have no issue with nice people.
Have a nice weekend.
MJ
Was someone's house taken?
Was someone's house taken? This seems impossible as you cannot steal a home. You can't even ask someone to move unless they have not paid their rent.... so this does not make sense.
I have lived here a long time so I'm not "from somewhere else", certainly not Stepford and absolutely NOT Republican! I'm pretty sure that I'm a nice person with much sympathy but can I seek to live without the filth and crime on the streets brought by people not willing to be part of the community?
You say a lot of people were happy before the "Stepford Invasion".... I bet a lot were happy before the "RV Invasion" as well.
bottom line regarding RV living
The bottom line regarding RV living is that RV dwellers are also citizens who need a place to live. We cant just keep pushing them out of every community until they all have no place to park or live. RVs are definitely a lot better than cardboard boxes or people camping in the alley.
That said, there are issues home owners have with RVs parked right outside their doors. One issue is that when an RV is parked outside my door, their windows are so high, its like having a second story neighbor 15 feet from my living room window: they can see right into my house (fence or no fence). There are other important issues regarding sanitation. One street near my house that always has campers also always reeks of urine and always has food waste on the street.
Our Community needs to ask the City to ask the State to help us (with funding) to provide safe, sanitary areas for these citizens to park. The homeless, including RV dwellers, in our area are not just a Venice problem: they are a United States problem. Our coast is just known for its relatively easy living, and the people come from all over -- then they are booted out of many areas until they come to rest in Venice. Lets not get crazy: middle class people who are new to Venice did not take homes away from people who now live in RVs! Thats just silly. I bet 90% of the RV dwellers arent even from California... but that is totally not the point! Point is: they are here, and we all need to take responsibility for those who are unable to afford the cost of living.
living rent free by the beach
the alleged moral tone about people wanting to live "rent free" by the beach is nearly hysterically funny. not everyone wants to be a slave to corporate america. perhaps we should just knock off all the malarkey about the US being a free country. it's a load of bollocks. i think we should stop foisting all this christian work ethic on everybody. take the holier than thou, because you work, crap off the burner. if you want to be really moral, give the land back to the indians, who by the way, lived rent free on the beach.
living rent free by the beach
Any Indian who did not abide by the rules of the group would soon be a very lonely Indian.
you are all on indian land
"The land is a sacred trust held in common for the benefit of the future of our nations."
--Haida Gwaii - Traditional Circle of Elders
lonely indians
i think NDN rules were based on fairness. they didn't change the playing field daily to further screw the individual. NDN's did follow the rules of "the group" (the honest christian group) and look where it got them. Very dead or very poor. here comes the casino argument now....i'll wager.
NDNs
"Sell a country? Why not sell the air, the great sea, as well as the earth? Did not the Great Spirit make them all for the use of his children?"
--Tecumseh, SHAWNEE
The White Man's way is to possess, control and divide. It has always been difficult for Indian people to understand this. There are certain things we cannot own that must be shared. The Land is one of these things. We need to re-look as what what we are doing to the Earth. We are digging in her veins and foolishly diminishing the natural resources. We are not living in balance. We do not own the Earth; the Earth owns us. Today, let us ponder the true relationship between the Earth and ourselves.
i love you. perfectly
i love you. perfectly stated.
I think there is some
I think there is some confusion between "free country" and "free ride" here. If someone wants to be truly "free" that will come with being truly "self-sufficient". To cry about wanting to be left alone and then also expect everyone else to pay your way are two things that do not go together. As soon as you choose to live around other humans (which have the same rights) you then choose to live with compromise for what the other humans desire. The California coast is huge. There are plenty of places to park an RV and be "free". I think you'll find that the Venice RV dwellers will say they don't want this either. They want the benefits of community without the responsibilities. Oh, and about the indians... how long do you think they would put up with a freeloader? The indian work ethic is miles above the christian work ethic. Indians did not live "free" anywhere. They worked their asses off for food and shelter every day. I really don't care if you work or don't work as long as you don't expect others to pay for your lifestyle or services. If you want to work as hard as the original indians for this community, a charity or, gasp, a company, feel free to spend as much time on the beach as you like.
you're right
there is NO free country
It is curious that a law
It is curious that a law violating group of RV dwellers have laid seige to Venice and are being treated as a special class of people who need to have their desires to have free living arrangements provided for them rather than work and provide for their own living situations. This appears totally irrational to me, and I think they should move to areas where they can afford to live. There they could work, save their money, and then move back to Venice to live in a rental unit or buy a home when they are able.
rent levels seem totally irrational to me
along with unscrupulous developers and other rich people that drive these people into the street and then treat them like garbage and deem them law breakers. so what if a group of AMERICANS don't want to wear the brown corporate lipstick that is the cost of being able to live in what formerly was their homes. eat the rich!
Oh stop hating on the "rich" people...
If the "rich people" who have taken over are so awful, then why do the RV dwellers park in the neighborhood and are opposed to an RV parking lot? Do they not want to live next to each other?
Explain to me please how rich people have forced anyone to live in RVs, how living in a community without paying rent or taxes is ok, and how littering, rummaging through people's trash, and dealing drugs doesn't make someone a law breaker.
And also - homelessness is caused by NOT being a corporate butt-kisser? News to me. I'd better get me to an RV-dealer pronto!
Now...let's dispense with the name-calling and who is to blame for what and let's try to be constructive here.
So what if a group of
So what if a group of Americans want to live in a safe, clean environment... and, to do that, actually buy or rent places to stay and pay for sanitation and other services...
If the street squatters want to leave "corporate America" there are plenty of places out in the forests and deserts in which to park and live off the grid... oh, but wait, there would be no free food shelters (and who do you think donates to these to keep them open??? people in RVs???... I don't think so), no free clean water, no one to buy their drugs...
Are you trying to say that all of these RV street squatters used to live in the houses they park in front of? I find that hard to believe. As well, hard to believe that if they were living and paying the rent on these places that they would want to walk through squalor to get to their front door.
There are solutions to get everyone a home and a safe place to stay... but the people have to be willing to help themselves as well. Slamming people for wanting to make Venice better is no solution.
single mom
I am not a developer, nor a "rich" person. Nor have I ever driven anyone to the streets, and I am no supporter of corporate greed. I still don't want to walk out of my tiny apartment, which certainly has no beach view and see drug dealing going on right in front of my apt out of RV's. I don't want my kid exposed to this crud hiding under the guise of people who just want to live "free." Jeeze! Give us a break!
move to a safe "white" neighborhood
try moving to bel air or some other safe neighborhood. do you ban illegal wars and murder for oil from your telly?
Ban wars from my telly?
Hmmm, I would call it a TV. I can't ban anything from my TV but I can choose what I watch or look at. I can turn it off, I can change the channel and I can choose not to have one. And, hopefully, I can keep you from putting an old clunky TV in my living room.
move to Bel Air?
I can't afford to move to Bel Air. That is why I pay to live in Venice, which I can afford. Should I pack up an old crusty RV and park in front of a house in Bel Air and then scream and yell how I can't afford to live in one of the houses? I have no right to a house in Bel Air unless and until the product of my work earns me one.